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I don't think paleo people were that strong. On the contrary, I think they were skinnier and lankier than us and were not that muscular. My evidence is looking at modern day hunter gatherers, they don't look like elite athletes. Therefore, you can't train like a caveman if you want to look like (and feel like) and athlete.
Quote from: Wlfdg on April 19, 2010, 02:56:05 PMQuote from: TWC760 on April 19, 2010, 02:39:13 PMThe only thing I don't understand is: if I am fasting my glycogen should be depleted ,and if my glycogen is depleted how am I able to sprint without any noticeable loss in speed. If I eat something beforehand though, my stomach feels like crap.Gluconeogenesis - Your body is catabolizing muscle for glycogen. Based on training theory, if you aren't getting faster than in reality you are losing speed. So you are exercising and not training.I really think this is an antiquated idea, if you lifting heavy that is the only stimulus necessary to sustain, if not increase mass, as long as protien is needs are met. If your idea were really true the starving hunter would have died long ago, for not having enough glycogen in thier body and underpreforming. In a fasted stated your body produces ketones and uses that for fuel. Google ketogenic diets and bodybuilding, btw ketogenic diets are borderline if not totally paleo.
Quote from: TWC760 on April 19, 2010, 02:39:13 PMThe only thing I don't understand is: if I am fasting my glycogen should be depleted ,and if my glycogen is depleted how am I able to sprint without any noticeable loss in speed. If I eat something beforehand though, my stomach feels like crap.Gluconeogenesis - Your body is catabolizing muscle for glycogen. Based on training theory, if you aren't getting faster than in reality you are losing speed. So you are exercising and not training.
The only thing I don't understand is: if I am fasting my glycogen should be depleted ,and if my glycogen is depleted how am I able to sprint without any noticeable loss in speed. If I eat something beforehand though, my stomach feels like crap.
Right, but the thing is, I'm really not losing any muscle. If anything I'm gaining. I don't think my liver is catabolizing muscle if it can find the amino acids in my diet. And what about Intramuscular tryglicerides?
Quote from: societygangrape on April 19, 2010, 03:26:31 PMQuote from: Wlfdg on April 19, 2010, 02:56:05 PMQuote from: TWC760 on April 19, 2010, 02:39:13 PMThe only thing I don't understand is: if I am fasting my glycogen should be depleted ,and if my glycogen is depleted how am I able to sprint without any noticeable loss in speed. If I eat something beforehand though, my stomach feels like crap.Gluconeogenesis - Your body is catabolizing muscle for glycogen. Based on training theory, if you aren't getting faster than in reality you are losing speed. So you are exercising and not training.I really think this is an antiquated idea, if you lifting heavy that is the only stimulus necessary to sustain, if not increase mass, as long as protien is needs are met. If your idea were really true the starving hunter would have died long ago, for not having enough glycogen in thier body and underpreforming. In a fasted stated your body produces ketones and uses that for fuel. Google ketogenic diets and bodybuilding, btw ketogenic diets are borderline if not totally paleo.Ketones do not fuel anaerobic effort. Glycogen does. There fore I refer back to gluconeogenesis.Quote from: TWC760 on April 19, 2010, 04:27:40 PMRight, but the thing is, I'm really not losing any muscle. If anything I'm gaining. I don't think my liver is catabolizing muscle if it can find the amino acids in my diet. And what about Intramuscular tryglicerides?Triglycerides are still not going to fuel anaerobic effort. If you aren't losing muscle them your creating glycogen from dietary protein. You are eating no carbs?
Practically none. There is some glycogen/carbs in beef liver though and I eat large portions of beef liver every other night. So how much should I eat to refuel glycogen?
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