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marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #180 on: December 04, 2009, 07:48:25 AM »
Calcium intake may not be related to fracture risk, in men!

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/127/9/1782?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=high+protein+bone+health&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=70&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

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In conclusion, these results do not support a relation between calcium intake and the incidence of forearm or hip fractures in men.

B-12 may be important for elderly women's bone health:

http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/abstract/133/3/801?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=high+protein+bone+health&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=90&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=HWCIT

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These results suggest that vitamin B-12 status is associated with bone health in elderly women


« Last Edit: December 04, 2009, 07:53:19 AM by marika »

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #181 on: December 17, 2009, 05:06:51 AM »
http://www.dancesport.uk.com/articles/osteoporosis.htm
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It is generally acknowledged that a low intake of Calcium can aggravate or cause osteoporosis. Recent research suggests, however, that the dietary influence on bone structure is far more complicated than just the total Calcium intake. Unfortunately, this information is not readily available to the general public, with the result that large sums of money are being spent on Calcium supplements which may have very little long term effect on the strength of the bones.

The main dietary requirements for strong bones are as follows:

a. Calcium
b. Magnesium
c. Boron
d. Silica
e. Zinc
f. Vitamin D
g. Vitamin K

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #182 on: December 20, 2009, 02:15:21 PM »
Apparently the preagricultural calcium:magnesium ratio was 1:1:

http://www.paleodiet.com/losspts.txt
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Studies of our ancestors' pre-agricultural diets indicate that magnesium was probably consumed at about a  1:1 ratio with calcium (8 ).

Wow!! Where did they get all that magnesium?   ??? ETA: Or did they a low amount in both? That seems more likely to me!!

More from the same site:

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If you are concerned about bone mineralization, the above factors which
interfere with calcium absorption suggest the following strategies:

1.  get your fibre from fruits and vegetables, minimizing bran consumption;
2.  minimize your salt intake;
3.  spend regular time in the sun, or supplement with vitamin D;
4.  get plenty of anti-gravity exercise;
5.  ensure that your magnesium intake is adequate;
6.  reduce or eliminate dairy products and eggs from your diet;
7.  reduce your sugar intake;
8.  avoid soft drinks;
9.  avoid coffee;
10. do not smoke;
11. get tested for celiac disease.


I don't understand the reasoning to reduce eggs?
« Last Edit: December 22, 2009, 04:47:49 AM by marika »

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #183 on: December 20, 2009, 02:25:01 PM »
Possible Paleo sources of magnesium:

http://nephropal.blogspot.com/2009/07/magnesium.html

pumpkin seeds
brazil nuts
cashews
almonds
pine nuts
english walnuts
kelp
pecans

http://whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=75#foodsources

Swiss chard
spinach
summer squash
turnip greens
mustard greens
broccoli
cucumbers
halibut
celery
collard greens
kale
sunflower seeds
sesame seeds
beeets
Brussels sprouts
scallops
kiwifruit
tuna
asparagus
cauliflower
raspberries
cabbage
watermelon
shrimp
strawberries

« Last Edit: December 20, 2009, 02:29:11 PM by marika »

Lakeside

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #184 on: December 20, 2009, 04:11:42 PM »
I'm not giving up eggs or coffee.

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #185 on: December 21, 2009, 03:44:08 AM »
I'm not giving up eggs either. They actually are a good source of bioavailable calcium, vitamin K, and D. I don't understand why he says to stop eating them?

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #186 on: December 21, 2009, 05:42:51 AM »
I think he misread the original study. Here's an article referring to it:

http://www.freetrainers.com/FT/jsp/Message.jsp?f_ix=3&t_ix=4210
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She notes that the animal and human studies that correlated calcium loss with high protein diets used isolated, fractionated amino acids from milk or eggs.4 Her studies show that when protein is given as meat, subjects do not show any increase in calcium excreted, or any significant change in serum calcium, even over a long period.5 Other investigators found that a high protein intake increased calcium absorption when dietary calcium was adequate or high, but not when calcium intake was a low 500 mg per day.6

That makes more sense. So there's nothing wrong with eggs as long as they aren't processed into isolated, fractionated amino acids.

marika

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #187 on: December 21, 2009, 05:56:43 AM »
These interfere with the absorption of calcium:

http://lesann.tripod.com/calcium.htm

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-fiber      Fiber contains phytic acid, which combines with calcium in the intestines and forms a compound that can't be absorbed
-protein    extremely high protein levels increase urinary excretion of calcium
-caffeine    increases the amount of urine you excrete--which also increases loss of calcium
-sodium    also increases urinary excretion of calcium
-Oxalates and oxalic acid    compounds found in green leafy vegetables--unite with calcium during digestion and turn it into insoluble salts

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Re: Calcium
« Reply #188 on: September 05, 2010, 07:10:07 PM »
I've been taking Calcium citrate/magnesium/Vitamin D by CitraCal to help prevent oxalate kidney stones from forming. 500mg twice a day with meals (your body can only absorb up to 600mg at a time). Citrate prevents oxalates from being excreted in the urine (if I remember correctly), and since most of the foods on the Paleo diet (excluding meat) are pretty high in oxalic acid, this is great for calcium supplementation. It is also the best form of calcium to take for absorption, can be taken on an empty stomach, and for people to are prone to constipation. Citrate changes the urine pH to alkaline. Calcium carbonate is the cheapest and most readily available form of calcium via supplements, but it has a poor absorption, has to be taken with a meal and is better for people who tend to have loose stools.

Also, too much Vitamin C is bad for calcium absorption, I think. It increases calcium loss in the urine, in the same way that too much sodium does.

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