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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2010, 02:28:59 PM »
There's no stigma for being homosexuality in most of the big cities in the US, or places like Brazil, but I've only ever seen the "homosexuality is bad" attitude from 2 types of people: insecure people who fall back on cultural or religious biases when they find something they don't understand; or people who are actually closeted homosexuals.

Also, here's that book: And Tango Makes Three

Note that it's one of the most controversial modern books in the US, because of the religious nut jobs who think that if they hate a thing enough it will just go away



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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2010, 02:31:21 PM »
I'm also thinking of the time when our first born son was 1 year old and he was effeminate, a toddler effeminate homosexual.

I don't think so. Children don't even have gender identity until at least age two, as for sexual orientation? Puberty and not before.

A friend of mine didn't realize he was gay until age 12 or 13, and HE was the one who realized it. Not his parents.

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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2010, 02:41:27 PM »
Well soya was making our 1 year old son effeminate.

It was as clear as night and day for me and my wife when we removed all soya from his diet in 2002.

stopped being effeminate immediately.

Soya is a non-paleo junk.  Very bad.  We found books about how bad soya was.  And in our experience what they trashed about soya was true.

Dr. Delia Patawaran of Quantum Minerals Plus fame says that it is sugar and a high carbohydrate diet that causes gayness.  She claims to have cured a lot of gay men being brought to her by their wives.  Wives say when they married these men, they were not gay.  She had a stage skit of 4 gay hosts on her product launch that had the hosts say their gayness was an endangered species now that Dr. Patawaran has cracked the code of gayness... yes really... in your face.  Of course we are in Manila and this was much appreciated by her audience.  All claps.

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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2010, 02:47:27 PM »
Well soya was making our 1 year old son effeminate.

It was as clear as night and day for me and my wife when we removed all soya from his diet in 2002.

stopped being effeminate immediately.

This is a logical fallacy know as post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this).

I drank a lot last night and then slept on the wrong side of the bed. I woke up with a headace. Therefore sleeping on the wrong side of the bed gives me a headache!

See how silly that sounds?

She claims to have cured a lot of gay men being brought to her by their wives.

Sorry but it doesn't work this way. WTF man, are you from the Dark Ages or something?



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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2010, 02:53:17 PM »
She claims to have cured a lot of gay men being brought to her by their wives.  Wives say when they married these men, they were not gay. 

Odds are they were just closeted due to this crazy repressive attitude that you and people around you seem to have. It's a common story - I know many men who were married and had kids, but later realized they were gay. Religious and cultural pressure forces people to do lots of strange things - like marry women when they don't find women attractive, have sex with them out of duty, produce kids. It happens a lot. Many of these men battle depression their whole lives, and some of them commit suicide. I hope you don't do this to your son if he turns out to be gay.



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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2010, 03:07:23 PM »
I don't think so. Children don't even have gender identity until at least age two, as for sexual orientation? Puberty and not before.

I'm pretty sure my daughter has a well defined gender identity at 20 months.  She definitely gravitates towards doing the stuff mommy does rather than the stuff daddy does.  I think I know where it comes from, too:  she spent what seemed like a lot of time around age 1 staring at mommy's and daddy's crotches when we were getting into the shower and such.  It was kind of disconcerting at the time, but I just figured it was part of the imprinting process - the same way baby ducks figure out that they're ducks and not humans, or sometimes accidentally imprint on humans and think they are humans and not ducks.

I agree that's not the same thing as sexual orientation, but I'd be surprised if imprinting didn't also affect sexual orientation.

Regarding the general topic, I don't think effeminacy has much to do with sexual orientation.  I do agree that a paleo diet seems to affect build, which might affect effeminacy.


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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2010, 03:24:00 PM »
As for the soy issue: Prisoners in Illinois are suing the state because of the soy heavy diet.

Link:   Inmates Sentenced to a Dangerous Diet . . . Served Up to Children Next?

As for religious nut jobs.  The website of Westboro Baptist Church, in Topeka, Kansas is:

godhatesfags.com

I didn't put it as a URL.  The name says it all. No need to click on it.


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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #22 on: March 07, 2010, 03:59:06 PM »
I'm usually intrigued about evolution in action (hence, the diet). A question I have not been able to solve about homosexuality and evolution:

- Since homosexuality is an evolutionary dead end,
- But there are still some homosexuals in population since known history.

Does that mean that homosexuality is:

a) A dead-end mutation that happens much more often than other mutations?
or
b) Not inheritable?
or
c) Inheritable but there are enough homosexuals reproducing heterosexually?
or
d) A male and female combination could provide a homosexual offspring even if both parents are not homosexuals?

I find questions like the above interesting.

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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #23 on: March 07, 2010, 04:12:06 PM »
Does that mean that homosexuality is:

a) A dead-end mutation that happens much more often than other mutations?
or
b) Not inheritable?
or
c) Inheritable but there are enough homosexuals reproducing heterosexually?
or
d) A male and female combination could provide a homosexual offspring even if both parents are not homosexuals?

Ah, but it's only an evolutionary dead-end if you think in terms of a "2-parents + children" unit. We're social creatures, and like most apes, would exist in the wild in packs/tribes/clans. I liken it mostly to wolf packs - in a pack of perhaps 10-12 wolves, there is only one breeding pair. This is the "alpha" male and female. The other wolves may live their entire lives without producing offspring. Sometimes the alpha may die and is replaced by the next down, but for the most part only one pair produces cubs. The rest of the wolves are there for the good of the pack itself. They help raise the cubs, protect then, find food, etc

I don't believe homosexuality has anything to do with a genetic mutation. Think about it this way: if there was code in your genes to "switch off" sexual reproduction if you had a bad mutation, that voids everything that Natural Selection stands for. It voids the MAIN reasoning behind Natural Selection: the success of a mutation is determined by whether or not it survives better. A switch to shut off continuing the line doesn't make sense as it gives you no chance to TEST the mutation



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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2010, 04:18:11 PM »
Il Capo to answer some questions:

B:  I don't think it is inheritable.  I think there are twins but only one is gay.

C:  There are bisexuals who have been in relationships with the opposite sex. One of the best known was the husband of Arianna Huffington, Mike Huffington. They were married in 1986, in 1998 he announced he was bisexual and they have divorced.  Arianna Huffington started the Huffington Post.


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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2010, 04:31:29 PM »
I don't believe homosexuality has anything to do with a genetic mutation. Think about it this way: if there was code in your genes to "switch off" sexual reproduction if you had a bad mutation, that voids everything that Natural Selection stands for. It voids the MAIN reasoning behind Natural Selection: the success of a mutation is determined by whether or not it survives better. A switch to shut off continuing the line doesn't make sense as it gives you no chance to TEST the mutation

Yeah, you nailed my question exactly. If it is genetic, then it would be one of the many mutations that simply die out. If it's not genetic, then could people be brought up to be gay or not?

I think the truth is somewhere in between: people are predisposed or not to homosexuality, but the environment can affect that, too. But this is just a hypothesis, not based on any studies that I know of.
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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #26 on: March 07, 2010, 04:32:48 PM »
The third option is what Paleo Dude wrote: that it does not die out because some homosexuals reproduce heterosexually. That would support the genetic theory.
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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #27 on: March 07, 2010, 04:34:42 PM »
If it's a recessive gene it could be passed along.
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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #28 on: March 07, 2010, 04:46:21 PM »
I don't believe homosexuality has anything to do with a genetic mutation. Think about it this way: if there was code in your genes to "switch off" sexual reproduction if you had a bad mutation, that voids everything that Natural Selection stands for. It voids the MAIN reasoning behind Natural Selection: the success of a mutation is determined by whether or not it survives better. A switch to shut off continuing the line doesn't make sense as it gives you no chance to TEST the mutation

Yeah, you nailed my question exactly. If it is genetic, then it would be one of the many mutations that simply die out. If it's not genetic, then could people be brought up to be gay or not?

I think the truth is somewhere in between: people are predisposed or not to homosexuality, but the environment can affect that, too. But this is just a hypothesis, not based on any studies that I know of.

My honest opinion is that it's just another state of being. If we stop thinking of the "mother and father" unit and think in terms of the "tribe", it's easy to see that there's more than just two roles for people to play. It's not just mother and father.

I stongly believe that humans are meant to have breeding and non-breeding members in one group. Or, at the very least, non-breeding males (some ape groups have one male who breeds with all females, the other males do other things). Thinking of it this way, homosexuality is not a "mutation" in the same way that having longer or shorter fingernails is a mutation. It's another state this may have been necessary to help us survive when we were huddled masses in a cave



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Re: Homosexuality and Paleo Diet
« Reply #29 on: March 07, 2010, 04:53:55 PM »
Well soya was making our 1 year old son effeminate.

It was as clear as night and day for me and my wife when we removed all soya from his diet in 2002.

stopped being effeminate immediately.

This is a logical fallacy know as post hoc ergo propter hoc (after this, therefore because of this).

I drank a lot last night and then slept on the wrong side of the bed. I woke up with a headace. Therefore sleeping on the wrong side of the bed gives me a headache!

See how silly that sounds?

She claims to have cured a lot of gay men being brought to her by their wives.

Sorry but it doesn't work this way. WTF man, are you from the Dark Ages or something?

The great Dr. Delia Patawaran claims to have cured a good number of her gay / effeminate patients through diet.  Eliminating SUGAR from their diet and bringing down their carb intake.... sounds like PALEO DIET logic to me.

I have my eyes and my ears wide open to anecdotal evidence. Wide OPEN 21st Century Thinking.

I and my wife see my son become effeminate at 1 year old polluted by SOYA.

And all intelligent PALEO Dieters know SOYA is all bad.

Success for our son.  Hurrah.  ;D

Raw paleo diet cures cancer. 
Cooked Paleo Diet cures diabetes.
So what if Paleo Diet cures gayness / effeminateness?
Shouldn't you be celebrating as well?
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