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Sarah

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There is a good interview with Loren Cordain that is free to listen to for only 36 hours as of this morning. I enjoyed listening to it  and have passed it on to some non-paleo eaters in hopes they will listen.  :)

http://www.guidedcds.com/seminarinfo

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Re: Listen to Loren Cordain interview on Profound Paths website
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 04:50:41 PM »
Here's another:

http://www.thelivinlowcarbshow.com/paleo-diet-dr-loren-cordain-episode-247/

Have a look through the other 250+ interviews also, some great speakers in there....
The "Seven Deadly Sins"

• Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc)
• Refined foods (salt/sugars etc ) . . • Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant)
• Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . . • Legumes (soy/beans/peas)
• Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc)

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Re: Listen to Loren Cordain interview on Profound Paths website
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 05:32:21 PM »
Oh noooooo, it cut off right when he was talking about MS! :( 
I passed it on too! :)

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Re: Listen to Loren Cordain interview on Profound Paths website
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 09:39:32 PM »
For those that miss the Profound Paths interview - here is some of the stuff I found interesting plus some definitions from Wikipedia.  It may be helpful if you want to know more about some of the thing Cordain talked about (and couldn't spell them  ;))

Inflammation is an important factor in Cardiovascular disease

Quote from:  Wikipedia
Arteriosclerosis is a general term describing any hardening (and loss of elasticity) of medium or large arteries (from the Greek Arterio, meaning artery, and sclerosis, meaning hardening); arteriolosclerosis is any hardening (and loss of elasticity) of arterioles (small arteries); atherosclerosis is a hardening of an artery specifically due to an atheromatous plaque. Therefore, atherosclerosis is a form of arteriosclerosis.

Atherosclerosis is a syndrome affecting arterial blood vessels. It is a chronic inflammatory response in the walls of arteries, in large part due to the accumulation of macrophage white blood cells and promoted by low density (especially small particle) lipoproteins (plasma proteins that carry cholesterol and triglycerides) without adequate removal of fats and cholesterol from the macrophages by functional high density lipoproteins (HDL), (see apoA-1 Milano). It is commonly referred to as a hardening or furring of the arteries. It is caused by the formation of multiple plaques within the arteries.

Atherosclerosis, though typically asymptomatic for decades, eventually produces two main problems: First, the atheromatous plaques, though long compensated for by artery enlargement (see IMT), eventually lead to plaque ruptures and clots inside the artery lumen over the ruptures. The clots heal and usually shrink but leave behind stenosis (narrowing) of the artery (both locally and in smaller downstream branches), or worse, complete closure, and, therefore, an insufficient blood supply to the tissues and organ it feeds. Second, if the compensating artery enlargement process is excessive, then a net aneurysm results.

These complications of advanced atherosclerosis are chronic, slowly progressive and cumulative. Most commonly, soft plaque suddenly ruptures (see vulnerable plaque), causing the formation of a thrombus that will rapidly slow or stop blood flow, leading to death of the tissues fed by the artery in approximately 5 minutes. This catastrophic event is called an infarction. One of the most common recognized scenarios is called coronary thrombosis of a coronary artery, causing myocardial infarction (a heart attack). Even worse is the same process in an artery to the brain, commonly called stroke. Another common scenario in very advanced disease is claudication from insufficient blood supply to the legs, typically due to a combination of both stenosis and aneurysmal segments narrowed with clots. Since atherosclerosis is a body-wide process, similar events occur also in the arteries to the brain, intestines, kidneys, legs, etc.

Yet, many infarctions involve only very small amounts of tissue and are termed clinically silent, because the person having the infarction does not notice the problem, does not seek medical help or when they do, physicians do not recognize what has happened.

Grains

Quote from: Wikipedia
Prolamins are a group of plant storage proteins having a high proline content and found in the seeds of cereal grains: wheat (gliadin), barley (hordein), rye (secalin), corn (zein) and as a minor protein, avenin in oats. They are characterized by a high glutamine and proline content and are generally soluble only in strong alcohol solutions. Some prolamins, notably gliadin, and similar proteins found in the tribe Triticeae (see Triticeae glutens) may induce coeliac disease in genetically predisposed individuals.

Gliadin up regulates gut protein (zonulin) that controls intestinal permeability

Quote from: Wikipedia
Zonulin is a protein that participates in tight junctions between cells of the wall of the digestive tract. Initially discovered in 2000 as the target of zonula occludens toxin, secreted by cholera pathogen Vibrio cholerae, it has been implicated in the pathogenesis of coeliac diseaseand diabetes mellitus type 1. It is being studied as a target for vaccine adjuvants.

ie. wheat increases gut permeability, allowing bacterial antigens across the GI tract and into the bloodstream.


Low level inflammation

Endotoxemia is due to leaky gut - bacteria from the gut escape into circulation.  It can be measured by counting LPS

Quote from: Wikipedia
Lipopolysaccharides (LPS) , also known as lipoglycans, are large molecules consisting of a lipid and a polysaccharide joined by a covalent bond; they are found in the outer membrane of Gram-negative bacteria, act as endotoxins and elicit strong immune responses in animals.

Gliadin allows LPS through the gut wall into circulation and increase inflammation.


Legumes are high in anti nutrients and contain saponins which also increase gut permeability.


Potatoes contain anti nutrients (saponins/glykoalkaloids) - solanine and alpha shikonin, which cause holes in the gut

Quote from: Wikipedia
Solanine is a glycoalkaloid poison found in species of the nightshade family, such as potatoes. It can occur naturally in any part of the plant, including the leaves, fruit, and tubers. It is very toxic even in small quantities. Solanine has both fungicidal and pesticidal properties, and it is one of the plant's natural defenses.

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Glycoalkaloids are a family of poisons commonly found in the plant species Solanum dulcamara (nightshade).[1] There are several glycoalkaloids (alkaloids + sugars) that are potentially toxic. A prototypical glycoalkaloid is called solanine (sugar [solanose] + alkaloid [solanidine] = solanine), which is found in potatoes. The alkaloidal portion of the glycoalkaloid is also generically referred to as an aglycone. The intact glycoalkaloid is poorly absorbed from the GI tract but causes GI irritation. The aglycone is absorbed and is believed to be responsible for observed nervous system signs. Glycoalkaloids are bitter tasting, and produce a burning irritation in the back of the mouth and side of the tongue when eaten.


Autoimmune diseases are an unintentional vaccine against your own tissue (ie. celic, Type I diabetes, MS)

Celiac disease is when a celiac eats wheat, their immune system attacks cells in the intestine - causing intestine to be autolyzed (breakdown of all or part of a cell or tissue by self-produced enzymes)


An adjuvant (additive) is added to vaccine to promote immunity - common adjuvant are cholera, LPS, aluminium hydroxide, saponins (very powerful adjuvant).

Quote from: Wikipedia
In immunology, an adjuvant is an agent that may stimulate the immune system and increase the response to a vaccine, without having any specific antigenic effect in itself.  The word “adjuvant” comes from the Latin word adjuvare, meaning to help or aid.  "An immunologic adjuvant is defined as any substance that acts to accelerate, prolong, or enhance antigen-specific immune responses when used in combination with specific vaccine antigens."  Adjuvants have been called the dirty little secret of vaccines in the scientific community, because much about how adjuvants work is a mystery. Known adjuvants include oils, mercury, aluminum salts, and virosomes.


The Saponin in tomato is alpha tomatine.  A very strong adjuvant (injected with rabies to develop vaccine).

One of the most potent saponin adjuvants is Quillaja (a food additive) - used as a foaming agent in soda .

Adjuvants + gut bacteria can cause inflammation and possibly autoimmune disease (as they mimic the bodies own tissue).


MS = T cells fail to recognize and attack nerve and brain tissue (auto antigens ie. Myelin Oligodendrocyte Glycoprotein (MOG)/Myelin basic protein (MBP)) = movement and sensory impairment. 

Quote from: Wikipedia
T cells belong to a group of white blood cells known as lymphocytes, and play a central role in cell-mediated immunity. They can be distinguished from other lymphocyte types, such as B cells and natural killer cells by the presence of a special receptor on their cell surface called T cell receptors (TCR). The abbreviation T, in T cell, stands for thymus, since this is the principal organ responsible for the T cell's maturation. Several different subsets of T cells have been discovered, each with a distinct function


Butyrophilin (milk protein) resembles Myelin Oligodendrocyte Glycoprotein (MOG) - the protein sheath that covers nerves and brain cells. 

Butyrophilin + adjuvant =   T cells attacks this protein (which gives us MS).


There are roughly 20-25,000 genes in the human genome (it is difficult to determine where one gene starts and ends).  In last 10-40,000 years there have changed maybe 200-500 genes (many are polymorphic - ie. there are many versions of them) (ie. lactase persistence genes in 70% of northern european decent/30% of global population - this allows people to digest sugars in milk without digestive discomfort) .  Most genetic changes are in result to disease and environment and not diet (skin colour, etc).  The basic GI tract and hormones are the same.
The "Seven Deadly Sins"

• Grains (wheat/rice/oats etc) . . . . . • Dairy (milk/yogurt/butter/cheese etc)
• Refined foods (salt/sugars etc ) . . • Nightshades (peppers/tomato/eggplant)
• Tubers (potato/arrowroot etc) . . . . • Legumes (soy/beans/peas)
• Modernly palatable (cashews/olives etc)

Sarah

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Re: Listen to Loren Cordain interview on Profound Paths website
« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2009, 08:45:44 PM »
Tarlach,
Thanks for the summary and the extra info :)
Also thanks for the link to the other interview. It's a great one. I'm looking forward to exploring that site a bit more.

Posy,
That's a bummer that the player stopped. If you did want to hear Loren Cordain talk more about MS there is a seven part series of videos on youtube where he goes into more detail...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhkmDHLCUEs

Posy

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Re: Listen to Loren Cordain interview on Profound Paths website
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2009, 06:25:57 PM »
Tarlach and Sarah…thanks for posting those extra links, I’ll be checking them out for sure! :)

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