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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #15 on: July 03, 2010, 06:20:19 AM »
Today was excellent.  No weirdness...just fullness.

Totals:
kcals 1735
pro 150
fat 108
cho 53

Questions:
How many eggs are 'acceptable' for one days consumption?
What other oils are Paleo acceptable?  EVOO & coconut are the only 2 I've been using.  Are sesame and walnut okay?



Your calorie breakdown is spot on!
Any cold pressed oils are good... cold pressed grapeseed, sesame, walnut, etc... as well as tallow, schmaltz, lard, bacon fat... as long as the source is paleo. I try to cook with the more stable oils, so  I used animal fats or coconut predominantly for cooking, grapeseed oil I use for my homemade mayo, and I season curries with a drop of sesame after they've already been cooked.
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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #16 on: July 03, 2010, 07:03:07 AM »
Questions:
How many eggs are 'acceptable' for one days consumption?
I eat 8-10 everyday. There is research to show that eating eggs too often can lead to an egg allergy. I've been eating eggs everyday for over 40 yrs. So far, so good.
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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #17 on: July 03, 2010, 04:27:41 PM »
Today was excellent.  No weirdness...just fullness.

Totals:
kcals 1735
pro 150
fat 108
cho 53

Questions:
How many eggs are 'acceptable' for one days consumption?
What other oils are Paleo acceptable?  EVOO & coconut are the only 2 I've been using.  Are sesame and walnut okay?



Your calorie breakdown is spot on!
Any cold pressed oils are good... cold pressed grapeseed, sesame, walnut, etc... as well as tallow, schmaltz, lard, bacon fat... as long as the source is paleo. I try to cook with the more stable oils, so  I used animal fats or coconut predominantly for cooking, grapeseed oil I use for my homemade mayo, and I season curries with a drop of sesame after they've already been cooked.

EXCELLENT!  Thank you!  I will check those out...as well as coconut milk.  I'm ready to try new things.  I'm hoping to find some turkey bacon somewhere that doesn't have all the processed shit in it....

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #18 on: July 03, 2010, 04:29:22 PM »
Questions:
How many eggs are 'acceptable' for one days consumption?
I eat 8-10 everyday. There is research to show that eating eggs too often can lead to an egg allergy. I've been eating eggs everyday for over 40 yrs. So far, so good.

I do love eggs :D  The other day I think I had 8 :o
I should probably scale that back on some days but they're so good and so versatile.
Thanks for your input!

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2010, 12:49:24 PM »
Just read this from my Dave Ramsey FPU book (yes, I'm one of those Dave Ramsey believers...IT WORKS!) 

Anyway, back to what I read:
The old saying holds true: if you are going to eat and eat excellently, you must get up, leave the cave, kill something, and drag it home.

I guess it's a good thing that I'm working on Olympic lifts so I can drag my food home :D

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Fourth of July weekend...was excellent!  I bought this cantaloupe/honeydew/watermelon type melon (not really sure what it is but it's good :)) and I've been loving on it.  Today is shaping up to be a super day as well!

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2010, 01:09:39 PM »
Funny thing about eggs, I can take them or leave them. I use them in cooking a lot, and usually start my day with them, but it's the "I will never get a better nutritional bargain than the egg" rule that keeps me eating them, not the actual taste. I eat 4-10 a day usually.
Diets fail because society as a whole believes body image is more important than health. The problem is that obesity is simply one of many symptoms of an illness, not the illness itself.

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2010, 04:21:23 PM »
I may get chastised for this, but I don't think paleo needs to be expensive. You don't need to buy everything Organic-Grass Fed, Pasture Raised, 100% Free of Everything. I mean, you *should* if you can. But there's nothing wrong with a grocery store steak, except the O3:O6 ratio. Just make sure you eat some fish or take fish oil.

There are SOME fruits and veggies in which buying organic is a good idea, but for the most part it's not the most important thing. The most important thing is that you eat an apple instead of a Snickers bar, organic or not.

Farmers markets, though, are awesome.

Even then it's still mote expensive than a high carbohydrate diet full of starches as staple foods like rice, pasta etc.

Protein just costs far more than carbs for the very reason that agriculture became the norm; because grains can be mass produced far more easily than proteins can.

You can buy a $20 bag of rice and pasta that will last a LOT longer than $20 of any meat.

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2010, 09:37:13 PM »
   I am working on the cost issue too.  Subsidized food (corn and soybean based) are really cheap - but they are also worthless (unless you are starving, then any calorie is a good calorie.)  Meat, chicken, fish are expensive...  If I were really broke I would eat a lot of eggs (okay, I guess I already eat a lot of eggs.)  You may not have the time or interest, but 2 hens or 3 quail are very easy to house, are fabulous pets, and can be fed very cheaply (lots of free chicken food out there, you just supplement w/ a tiny bit of grains.)   
  Turkey is very cheap at Thanksgiving.  I always buy 80-100 lbs worth of birds when it is around $0.30 a lb at Smiths (Kroger.).  Even Walmart sells it for $0.40 a lb.  Cook 1 a month, after you cook it freeze in serving sizes.  Make sure you add either some of the fat or beef stock to the baggies, they will be moister.  You can get a nice turkey stock from the carcass.
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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2010, 07:51:58 AM »
Destor & Pinon---

I agree with both of your posts.  Yes, a CHO diet is more friendly to the bank account but not to the waist and hips ;)  Farmers markets are awesome and I do love to go to them and stock up...the problem is that for my meats I can only get what will fit in my tiny freezer, which isn't much.  Before we moved to TN we were looking into buying a deep freeze....then the move happened.

I do like to roast chickens in my roaster though.

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2010, 03:40:02 PM »
Sometimes we can't afford to pay more than for the cheapest (for me it was from 18-28.)  Now, I can afford to vote w/ my pocketbook.  I believe what you spend your money on is often the most honest description of your values.  And sometimes those values have to start and end w/ making the rent or the credit card payment.  And then there are times when you got those basics covered, so do you choose to support factory farming, environmental degradation, animals standing in a foot of manure, profits for big-ag, exploitation of immigrants?  This whole question is important to me, b/c this is the first time I have ever felt secure enough (financially) that I could walk by the London Broil at $1.87/lb.  Milk at $1.67 a gallon.  And it is kind of difficult, as a lifelong frugal person.  But I getting a lot of joy out of it, too.  This is probably way off topic. 
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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #25 on: July 07, 2010, 05:20:37 AM »
Sometimes we can't afford to pay more than for the cheapest (for me it was from 18-28.)  Now, I can afford to vote w/ my pocketbook.  I believe what you spend your money on is often the most honest description of your values.  And sometimes those values have to start and end w/ making the rent or the credit card payment.  And then there are times when you got those basics covered, so do you choose to support factory farming, environmental degradation, animals standing in a foot of manure, profits for big-ag, exploitation of immigrants?  This whole question is important to me, b/c this is the first time I have ever felt secure enough (financially) that I could walk by the London Broil at $1.87/lb.  Milk at $1.67 a gallon.  And it is kind of difficult, as a lifelong frugal person.  But I getting a lot of joy out of it, too.  This is probably way off topic. 
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Not at all.  I understand exactly what you mean.  I have always been a very health conscious person and I hate it when I can't buy good stuff.  Now we are earning a bit more so it's easier but I still have a hard time buying ALL organic.  One of these days I'll be able to but right now I just do the best I can..
Right now I'm on the hunt for where I can get good cuts of meat, poultry, etc.  Just moved to a new state so I still am adjusting...it's hard.  Kind of why I decided to give Paleo my full efforts.  I figured everything else in my life is changing (for the better-mostly) so why not my nutrition.  And really it didn't have to change much.  It's more my mindset that had to change rather than my food choices.

Speaking of food choices:
yesterday went well.  Not sure what my totals were as I lost count and made a few concoctions that I didn't track the macros but I would say I kept it around the 1800 kcal mark.
I feel great...still working on getting rid of the thin layer of pillow over the abs but it's slowly deflating  ;)  I did get on the scale again just for giggles and it says 128...I can tell I'm getting stronger and I like to think that I'm leaning out more.  Time will tell I guess.

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #26 on: July 07, 2010, 02:38:07 PM »
I found a place here in TN that has grass fed EVERYTHING!  YAAHOOOO ;D
lamb, beef, pork, chicken, bison, elk....

Has anyone had elk?  I know some of you probably have.  What does it taste like?  I do like bison...is it similar?

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #27 on: July 07, 2010, 03:33:01 PM »
Society as a whole needs to work on making healthy low carb high protein foods more available on a larger scale and for prices that are going to compare with carbs.

Organic should be the norm, but instead it's the expensive exception.

There are two ways I can see this happening:  either people become more coinscous about what they're buying and as the demand for the nutritionally vapid food lowers, the companies will need to change with us;  or the companies/governments need
to be proactive and work towards forcing the change.

Either options work for me! 

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #28 on: July 07, 2010, 03:58:51 PM »
I know of one guy who tried to get a law passed to make it the conventional growers the ones who have to get certification to spray poisons on their fields, instead of how it is now with the bureaucratic burden being on organic growers who are not using toxics.
Change requires you to scream, I'M NOT GONNA TAKE ANY MORE!...and then you don't.

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Re: Lifestyle of the Rich and Paleo?
« Reply #29 on: July 07, 2010, 04:14:37 PM »
That is a brilliant idea Lone Wolf.  I definitely don't buy organic everything.  Went shopping w/ my partner and she puts things in the cart w/o looking at the price.  Uh, no.  I do my best to keep her out of the grocery store.  She tries to keep me out of thrift stores, so I guess we are even.  The amount of processed food I buy is now miniscule compared to what it was.  And almost all of that is for my teenager.  Must work harder on that.
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