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Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« on: July 12, 2010, 09:24:21 AM »
Hey guys,

I've always loved lifting weights and being active.  I'm wondering how my new Paleo diet is going to affect my energy and strength at the gym.  Has anyone in here been able to notice strength, energy and muscle gains on the Paleo diet (and not just weight loss)?  If so, how did you do it?

Also, any recommended resources of other bodybuilders using a similar diet would be helpful.

P.S. This forum is awesome.

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2010, 10:12:03 AM »
I'm not a bodybuilder, but at one time was a competitive strongman, olympic lifter, etc.

I just started lifting again after almost two years out of the gym - and my recovery and strength are doing quite well right now.

I have used paleo principles throughout my competitive life, however have really ramped it up this year. Eggs are your friend for a budget friendly protein and carb source. Throw out the standard bodybuilder concepts on fat (unless you are familiar with Dave Palumbo's Anabolic diet, which is a very high fat diet) and get most of your calories from fat. Protein cannot do it's job without enough calories, and carbs will do nothing more than slow you down.

Post workout is a good time to pack in some fruit or as I do, eat a tablespoon or two of honey.

If you are sluggish or tired, an ample amount of MCT's (coconut oil) will give you a boost.
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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #2 on: July 12, 2010, 10:23:30 AM »
Thanks for the great advice  I especially liked your bit about eggs since I am trying to stay economical.  Would it be adviseable for me to "hold-off" on the intense strength training until my body adjusts to the diet (2-4 weeks I hear) or should I push through it?

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #3 on: July 12, 2010, 11:13:55 AM »
I'd say power through it but be careful just on the off chance that you might be lifting a bit lower for a little while.

I guess I'm a bodybuilder in the sense that I'm working on building my body lol, but I don't plan to compete or anything.  Maybe fitness modeling, that's it

I've only been eating paleo for a couple months now and a good chunk of that was time spent eating next to no carbs, in an attempt to develop insulin sensitivity again after doing the typical super high carb bulking diet that most "bodybuilders" do.

I noticed a drop in strength immediately after switching to paleo but now it's back up and I'm looking better than ever and lifting more than ever.

If you want to pack on more muscle while sticking to paleo I would suggest carb loading with paleo foods immediately after workouts.  Fruits, nuts (almonds are great for this), that type of stuff, not the pastas and rice that most people eat.  If you were eating high carb before this or have a good amount of body fat to shed, maybe stick to very low carb for a bit.

If you want a good article about the first hand experience of a dedicated bodybuilder (this guy was 280lbd at one time apparently) going paleo, check this out: http://www.arthurshall.com/x_2009_caveman_diet.shtml

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #4 on: July 12, 2010, 11:40:53 AM »
Great advice Destor.  I'll try your recommendation of packing in extra "Paleo carbs" after my workouts. Do you also recommend loading up on paleo allowed carbs before working out?

I'm the same way when it comes to "building my body."  I'm not planning on competing or anything, I just really like the look of it.   I'm already lean and have really low body fat, I just want to feel better, be less tired, and have more mental focus.   I have an feeling Paleo might be a good avenue for acheiving that goal. 

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #5 on: July 12, 2010, 12:48:30 PM »
I just want to feel better, be less tired, and have more mental focus.   I have an feeling Paleo might be a good avenue for acheiving that goal. 
Paleo is a great avenue for that.
I'm an endurance athlete and lift for pleasure. Mostly Olympic lift variations and a little powerlifting. I've been Paleo for just over 1yr. My recovery rates are astonishing! I'm 43yrs.old.

You'll have no trouble gaining muscle with this WOE. It's incredibly anabolic!
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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #6 on: July 12, 2010, 01:26:42 PM »
I am so happy to hear that Wlfdg.  My biggest worry in starting the Paleo diet was that I wouldn't have the strength to lift weights or the energy to do any endurance training anymore.  Knowing that you're and endurance athlete and a weight lifter and have been on it for a year puts me at ease.  I'm sure I'll have many more questions for you as the days go on.

I'm curious if you make any modifications to your diet such as the ones recommended in "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" by Cordain (he recommends whey protein powder, sweet potatoes) or do you abide by the rules strictly? 

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2010, 04:27:36 PM »
Ask away!

I don't use supplements or eat sweet potatoes.
 
I eat higher fat than Cordain recommends. I use no canola oil. I eat primarily animal fats, tallow, coconut oil and bacon fat in the winter
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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 05:31:46 PM »
I am so happy to hear that Wlfdg.  My biggest worry in starting the Paleo diet was that I wouldn't have the strength to lift weights or the energy to do any endurance training anymore.  Knowing that you're and endurance athlete and a weight lifter and have been on it for a year puts me at ease.  I'm sure I'll have many more questions for you as the days go on.

I'm curious if you make any modifications to your diet such as the ones recommended in "The Paleo Diet for Athletes" by Cordain (he recommends whey protein powder, sweet potatoes) or do you abide by the rules strictly? 

Cordain's concept of low carb weeks followed by high carb weekends is not new. Dan John's "Paleo Inspired" MLB diet (Meat, Leaves, Berries) is basically a week of low carb (plus whey), and carbo loading, low-fat, grotesquely high carbs (when I followed it I would break my low carbs week with a 3 bagel and large fruit smoothie breakfast, and whatever else fell on my plate that day). At the time I was not as gluten sensitive as I am now and as long as I ate all these carbs in a relatively small window, my gut irregularities wouldn't bother me.

But, once your body learns to fuel itself on fats, the carbs will do the opposite of what they do for you now... I skip the "energy" part and go straight to semi-coma after eating any refined carb, and within 2-3 hours am wishing for death with the gut cramps if that carb happened to have gluten in it.
Diets fail because society as a whole believes body image is more important than health. The problem is that obesity is simply one of many symptoms of an illness, not the illness itself.

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2010, 05:53:48 PM »
I swore off refined grains today because of the digestion issues.  Lately my gf and I have been busy every weekend with friends + parents, and it's really tough to stick to the caveman eating with anyone we know.

I come from a Ukrainian family so everything is covered in dough or has a potato filling, plus literally none of us friends are really aware of paleo eating other than our parents and they're not dedicated to it.  The closest we came to eating paleo with our friends has been cooking steaks over a fire at a party.

So inevitably at least 2/3rds of the meals are based on carbs of some type, and I've been okay with humoring them up until now...  The hell it raises in the 'ol digestive system is too much now, I'm done with it.

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2010, 04:43:27 PM »
Hey there.  I'm not a BB but I did compete in figure so I know where you're coming from.  I was not eating intentional Paleo while competing but now I am and I have to be honest with you---it was hard at first to rid myself of the sweet taters but now I don't even want them.

I have not noticed a loss of strength at all.  If anything I feel stronger now than I did before.  My energy levels have been great and I don't necessarily crave anything UNLESS I go too long btw meals or don't consume enough in my meals.

Plus, it feels good to not have that "I'm scared to eat fat" mentality ;)

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2010, 10:40:40 AM »
I've been on the Paleo diet for three weeks now.  I have been lifting pretty seriously for years, although I would not call myself a bodybuilder.  But in any case, I carefully log every workout, so I know my progress. 

For the 2-3 months before going Paleo, I was making pretty slow gains in my lifts.  Not quite a plateau, but reps/weight increases came slowly.  About a week into Paleo, I had a workout that shocked me.  Every exercise I piled on 1-2 extra reps.  Normally in a given workout, I might have an advance of a rep on 1 or 2 exercises.  This was like I tapped into a new energy source.  It felt great.

Another minor positive is that I used to have to wait a long time after eating before I could lift, or I would get nauseous.  I find that I can hit the weights within an hour of eating a Paleo meal.  You'd think all that meat and fat would take longer to digest, but maybe it was the insulin rush that contributed to my nausea.


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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2010, 07:47:05 AM »
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This was like I tapped into a new energy source.  It felt great.

You hit it right on the money. I've been on Paleo for a little over a week and my last training session was amazing.  I felt stronger and more energetic than I ever had at the gym.  Normally, after an hour workout, I'm beat and go home wanting to take a nap.  This time around, I felt like I could train for another hour (maybe I should have :)).

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2010, 05:26:12 PM »
It really does seem like the fitter you are when you start Paleo, the shorter the wait until you start feeling way more energetic. It took about a week I think for me to start feeling it.
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Anyone in here a bodybuilder?
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2010, 02:25:14 PM »
While I'm not eating a paleo diet yet, I am an ex powerlifter, but now stick to the 'bar-barians' style of training.  When training I have always kept to a rather high protein and fat diet (though the wrong sort for convenience) and never had problems with either strength or endurance.  Sugars tend to knacker me out much quicker.

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