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Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« on: September 07, 2010, 05:49:40 AM »
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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2010, 06:01:17 AM »
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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2010, 10:36:24 PM »
I do support cholesterol studies, if they are good studies. After reading Good Calories Bad Calories by Gary Taubes it was kind of settled for me that the current conception of what constitutes a health blood lipid panel is seriously flawed. And new studies that control for confounding factors properly seem to demonstrate one blatant truth.

This is all with people with LDL below 100mg/dl which is freaking good by "conventional standards", and yet if this is so good and the metric by which to judge heart risk then we shouldn't see much variance from other blood lipid factors. But oops...

"In this prospective study, independently of their plasma LDL-C levels, participants with high non-HDL-C levels, high TG levels, or with an elevated TC/HDL-C ratio were at increased CHD risk. CHD risk assessment algorithms as well as lipid targets of lipid-lowering trials may also need to consider other easily available parameters such as non-HDL-C."

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"...individuals with TC/HDL-C ratio >5 had an HR of 2.19 (95% CI: 1.22 to 3.93) when compared with those with a TC/HDL-C ratio <5."

"...individuals with TG levels >150 mg/dl had an HR of 1.63 (95% CI: 1.02 to 2.59) when compared with those with TG levels <150 mg/dl"

I have HDL of 81 and trigs of 36. I eat straight beef fat (sometimes. Most of the time it goes with vegetables). Durr conventional diet advice.  :P :P

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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2010, 12:14:42 AM »
The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2010, 06:00:14 AM »
I think we should create a list of recommended books for new paleoers. Maybe a list of blog articles that are well referenced. This is so that they know where to go in order to answer such basic questions that everyone asks at some point or another.

For example, if I were butters I would want a full-blown argumentation which looks into all the research related to cholesterol numbers, preferably as part of a book or a well-written article.

Hmmm... might work on this over the break. Does anyone know a good software to archive research?
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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2010, 06:16:41 AM »
For example, if I were butters I would want a full-blown argumentation which looks into all the research related to cholesterol numbers, preferably as part of a book or a well-written article.

Thats exactly what I was hoping for. Would be great to have a resource like this.

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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2010, 06:34:08 AM »
I think we should create a list of recommended books for new paleoers.

There's already a "recommended books" thread.  Not sure how up to date it is.

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For example, if I were butters I would want a full-blown argumentation which looks into all the research related to cholesterol numbers, preferably as part of a book or a well-written article.

In that case, he should buy and read Taubes' Good Calories, Bad Calories, which discusses the hundreds or thousands of relevant studies.  And he should have asked for such a book, rather than bringing up research one random tiny study at a time.

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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2010, 08:59:42 AM »
Most cholesterol lowering studies using diet modification are failures. You only hear about the few that show benefits. The benefits are either negligible or exaggerated. 

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Re: Why do paleoers not support cholesterol studies?
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