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Offline samjohn

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2010, 09:58:30 PM »
There was an advert on TV last night telling us all to eat margarine as butter is high in saturated fat and will kill us all.

The answer to your question is 'eat more fat'.

Stop counting calories. If you are eating Paleo, there is usually no need.

If you are having weight loss issues, it'd be a good idea to start posting a detailed food journal, then everyone can help.

'Anecdotal Evidence' is an oxymoron.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2010, 08:16:37 AM »
I was reading my $6.99  :) Neanderthin and Ray recommends lean meat and trimming fat if you are consuming commercial feed-lot meat.


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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2010, 08:57:06 AM »
While there appeared to be some fat on the deer, most of it stays on the outside of the meat.  When you process the meat into its perspective "cuts" then you find out how little fat the meat has in or on it.  There is basically no marbling  and no fat strips lining roasts or steaks.  Of all the deer meat I have processed and cooked and eaten, there has never been enough to fat to cook with.  You always need to use other sources of "lube"  (?).   
    That said,  someone who processes the deer or other game animal similar to the ways the "lithic" societies would have, may have used the fat from the outside of the meat (that comes from right beneath the skin)  to eat.  When I processed mine, I've always gone after meat, not entirety.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2010, 09:19:53 AM »
That said,  someone who processes the deer or other game animal similar to the ways the "lithic" societies would have, may have used the fat from the outside of the meat (that comes from right beneath the skin)  to eat.  When I processed mine, I've always gone after meat, not entirety.

Yes, that was really what I was trying to say.  The muscles in game are quite lean, but I can't imagine that cave men would have wasted that precious layer of subcutaneous fat.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2010, 09:30:11 AM »
There was an advert on TV last night telling us all to eat margarine as butter is high in saturated fat and will kill us all.

Dude, don't you know Americans have all the answers? Look at how fit they are as a whole!



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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2010, 09:36:57 AM »
That said,  someone who processes the deer or other game animal similar to the ways the "lithic" societies would have, may have used the fat from the outside of the meat (that comes from right beneath the skin)  to eat.  When I processed mine, I've always gone after meat, not entirety.

Yes, that was really what I was trying to say.  The muscles in game are quite lean, but I can't imagine that cave men would have wasted that precious layer of subcutaneous fat.

The Inuit use fat as a fuel source and also as food. I wonder what the Native Americans did with it. I know when skinning a bison, they left the fat on the hide, stretched the hide out, and then scraped it off. It was not part of the butchering process. I can't find any info as to what they actually did with it when removed.



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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2010, 10:51:39 AM »
There was an advert on TV last night telling us all to eat margarine as butter is high in saturated fat and will kill us all.

Dude, don't you know Americans have all the answers? Look at how fit they are as a whole!

American life expectancy is somewhere around 38.  The number one in life expectancy is no longer Japan, but Andorra.  In fairness,I should mention it may be easier to keep a population of 88,000 healthy than a nation of 300,000,000.  

Australia is number 5,  Canada is number 6, Cuba is number 37.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2010, 11:37:16 AM »
Paleo Dude, do you have a source for that?

What I can find says that the U.N. lists Japan as #1 and Canada as #11.  The CIA world factbook lists Andorra #1 by nation (Macau is higher but is not a nation), but the U.S. at #34 and Cuba at #38.

There isn't a whole lot of difference in the top 50 or so, and it's probably more dependent on medical technology than actual health of the population.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2010, 11:57:47 AM »
In case it escapes someone, I was being facetious



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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2010, 12:07:28 PM »
Paleo Dude, do you have a source for that?

What I can find says that the U.N. lists Japan as #1 and Canada as #11.  The CIA world factbook lists Andorra #1 by nation (Macau is higher but is not a nation), but the U.S. at #34 and Cuba at #38.

There isn't a whole lot of difference in the top 50 or so, and it's probably more dependent on medical technology than actual health of the population.

must be more dependant on other factors than medical technology as the US have superior medical technology to Canada and we are ranked higher.

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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #25 on: February 09, 2010, 03:31:05 PM »
Paleo Dude, do you have a source for that?

What I can find says that the U.N. lists Japan as #1 and Canada as #11.  The CIA world factbook lists Andorra #1 by nation (Macau is higher but is not a nation), but the U.S. at #34 and Cuba at #38.

There isn't a whole lot of difference in the top 50 or so, and it's probably more dependent on medical technology than actual health of the population.

There is some recently changing data.  I looked at the WHO Countries study.   The WHO doesn't put it in a chart.  I put the WHO data in an Excel spread sheet several years ago but the data had been updated since then.

http://www.who.int/countries/en/

The WHO countries listing shows for the USA the average life expectancy for males is 75 years and females is 80 years.  That makes an average of 77.5 years.

Infant mortality (WHO lists infant mortality as any child dying before the age of 5) per 8 per 1000 live births for the USA.

http://www.who.int/countries/usa/en/

WHO shows Cuba life expectancy at birth m/f (years):  76/80 for an average of 78 years.
The Excel spread sheet I put this data into back in 2006 show  m/f 75/79 for an average of 77 years.

Back in 2006 American life expectancy was 6 months longer than Cuban life expectancy.
(Then you have the Castro dude who has outlived 8 U.S. Presidents. There must be a secret ingredient in those cigars). ;D

In Cuba the probability of dying under the age of 5 is 7 per 1,000 live births.

http://www.who.int/countries/cub/en/

The Excel Spread sheet I did had Canada at number 7 from the WHO data.

Canada, Japan, Australia, New Zealand, all of Western and Southern Europe, except former Eastern Block countries and the Balkans are ahead of the USA.

The other sources are List by the United Nations (2005-2010) and the CIA World Factbook (2009 estimates) which I pulled out of Wikipedia here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_Expectancy_by_Country

Although there are some differences, the U.S.A is way down the chart on life expectancy.
I think this can be attributed to the fact that the USA is such a large country. The USA is the third largest country by population and the fourth largest by land area.  Then there is economic differences. I am sure people in Detroit and El Centro bring down the averages due to the high unemployment in those areas.





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Re: Paleo blog
« Reply #26 on: February 09, 2010, 04:23:15 PM »
Another factor is criminality. In the US, as many as 2 million people are in jail at any given time. In other countries (especially in Europe) the proportion is much lower. I expect violent deaths to account for lower proportions of deaths in those cases, too.
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Re: Paleo blog
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