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Offline littlewolfuk

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« on: October 18, 2008, 01:51:09 PM »
Now then...a stone age diet should if keeping to the reality of what and why the animals where hunted and killed for, be full of animal fats, as this was and is for peoples who live by this way, be part of the diet.

Not the "lean meat" of most of the diets I have been reading about. thats silly, as paleo people need the calories and fat is a big part of the diet, not vegetable fats, as these could not be created at that point in time.

Eating animal fat isnt bad for you if you eat and live like a proper cave man, its good for you and will interestingly keep you lean and trim, as long as you stay off ALL processed foods including vegetable oils.



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Re: Fat
« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2008, 04:49:28 PM »

 This is true. This is a matter of discussion between paleo
diet shcolars, where some state the "lean meat" approach
that you refer to and others prefer a diet more high in
fats. It is an interesting fact that Eskimos were known to
discard a killed caribou if it was not fatty enough!!

 One should still take into consideration a few things:
 
 - Stone age man had to move their bodies so much more than
the average Western person does today.

 - Game was raised on grass food and much more trimmed from
freely moving around than today's factory farmed animals.

 - They did have certain periods where fatty animals
could not be caught for various reasons.

 One does not have to be scared of animal fat on a paleo
man diet. However, it would be naive not to exercise and just
blindly eat fat all the time for the above stated reasons.
Even  Dr. Atkins pointed that out in his books.

 Thank you for your post.

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Re: Fat
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Re: Fat
« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2008, 03:01:49 PM »
Thats interesting..and yes  the real life of a paleo man would have been calorie high..even in medieval times the average man ate 9000 calorie if he was in the fields etc and a paleo man would be very physical, but not every day. I would think the diet would alter to season, migrations and what you were doing just as in modern "cave men" societies.

However fat was and is important...due to the seasonality of produce and like bears and other large mammals we would need to stock up in fat reserves.

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Re: Fat
« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2008, 09:39:04 PM »
You have to understand that fat in the meat at the grocery store is a far cry from paleolithic fat sources. That's why we DO have to watch the types of fats we consume.

Feedlot beef has a terrible fat profile. So do standard eggs. They barely even qualify as paleolithic foods. Chicken is slightly better, but they're fed corn and soy, which can cause a lot of problems for sensitive individuals. There's PCBs and mercury in lots of types of fish.

Grass fed, grass finished beef and omega 3 eggs are closer to what we're going for in terms of fat profiles.

And if you switch over to tons of beef and eggs but still eat grains and/or sugar, then you're going to be in trouble.

That's why it's important to do a LOT of research before jumping into this kind of diet. Going halfway, it's possible to end up dying a whole lot sooner.

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Re: Fat
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2008, 04:31:25 PM »
Very true..EAT ONLY ORGANIC meats and eggs. The modern reared animals are fat adn unhealthy and have all sorts of vaccinations and anti biotics in their systems. when you see the diference in the meat between an organic chicken and a barn intensive raised one its amazing. The meat colour is different and theres solid fat  not this running white stuff on the mdern hens have. An orgnic chick runs about and eats all kinds of stuff, and tastes better too.

The common broiler chicken is 50% fatter than 30 years ago and the eggs have lost 70% of their omega oils..its shocking ! and as you say fish have mercury and other nasties..unless farmed.

Also we cant possibly be as active as a paleo man or woman so eating fats like they did wouldnt be a clever thing to do if we have a sedentary life.

The veggie version and a little meat would be healthier for us modern cave people !! LOL unless you run to work and back and have a physical active job.



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Re: Fat
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2008, 05:52:03 PM »
Actually, many types of farmed fish contain MORE mercury than wild, so that is absolutely NOT a good rule of thumb. This page gives you some good rules to go by:

http://www.edf.org/page.cfm?tagID=17694

As far as chicken goes, though, chickens are never given antibiotics -- it is against the law to do so. It's one of the cleaner meats you can buy, if you can't afford all organic all the time.

But it's not necessarily true that we should eat more fruits and vegetables and less meat/fat. Many people do quite well on less than 100 g/carbs per day, and the calories have to come from somewhere. My diet is somewhere around 50 percent fat, I'd say. Check out Mark's Daily Apple sometime (marksdailyapple.com). Mark likes to say that 80 percent of your body composition comes from your diet -- not from endless hours of exercise.

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Re: Fat
« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2008, 06:07:18 PM »
even in medieval times the average man ate 9000 calorie if he was in the fields etc

Do you have a source for that?  It seems high to me.  9000 kJ rather than 9000 kcalories, perhaps?

Actually, many types of farmed fish contain MORE mercury than wild, so that is absolutely NOT a good rule of thumb

Not only that, but some farmed fish - salmon for example - has a fat profile more like factory farmed beef than like the wild version of the fish.  Granted, that's still a lot better than most vegetable oils - or than factory farmed eggs, even, but for those who are really picky, there is a lot of information to digest, as you say.

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Re: Fat
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2008, 08:22:55 AM »
Yes your right got it wrong,  DOH 1...the calorie intake for a working person in the fields was about 4900 per day thats over double modern man.

In the UK chickens get all kinds of medication including growth hormones, maybe they dont in the US..but they are over weight and fat poor things, and nothing like a natural free organic bird.

Rabiit is a good food to eat and pigeon and they were also a big part of the diet in the UK up until the first world war, as were oysres and eels, they wer all cheap or easliy caught and free if you have the patience to go hunt.

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Re: Fat
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2008, 09:28:52 AM »
Also in the US they still use ground up animal matter in the feed, and feed the animals on GM soya and other crops that we dont do in the UK ...The fat would only be of good quality if the animal has a lot of exercise anyhow and has a healthy liver and is OLDER than the birds or other animals we eat today, they are ALL forced with hormones.

I think we all need to go back to crofting to have a proper diet...and eat far more veggetales, greens, and berries as they would have done..I am in a flat (apartment) so cant do that but I advise any one with a back garden or yard to grow more...as ALL our fruit and veg is nuked before it gets to the shelves, and is irradiated.



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